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A Discussion About NY Times "Truth Vigilante" Op-Ed

Shoq and I discuss the op-ed in which the NY Times Public Editor asks the readers if reporters should play fact checker in their stories.
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Shoq @Shoq

Sick of this "Truth Vigilante" noise. All this piling on does is discourage papers from even talking about an important issue.

15/01/2012 03:15:52 WIB
Broadway Carl🇺🇸 @BwayCarl

@Shoq Well, he did ask for the readers' opinions. I find it fascinating that reporters "imposing judgment" on a piece means fact checking.

15/01/2012 03:19:45 WIB
Shoq @Shoq

.@BwayCarl Everyone interprets what he said to suit. It's a perfect example of why discourse by comment threat is asinine.

15/01/2012 03:22:55 WIB
Shoq @Shoq

.@BwayCarl I feel like the issue is absolutely vital, and rather than discussing it rationally, people are mocking the guy who brings it up.

15/01/2012 03:24:13 WIB
Broadway Carl🇺🇸 @BwayCarl

@Shoq "Vigilante" in the title doesn't help his cause. I don't consider journalistic accuracy vigilantism, but requisite to their profession

15/01/2012 03:26:20 WIB
Shoq @Shoq

.@BwayCarl The title was stupid.. and like many sites, I wouldn't be surprised if someone else wrote it.

15/01/2012 03:29:04 WIB
Broadway Carl🇺🇸 @BwayCarl

@Shoq I think the mock is a reaction to the shock that he would ask such a question.

15/01/2012 03:29:03 WIB
Broadway Carl🇺🇸 @BwayCarl

@Shoq I didn't read the comments so much (for obvious reasons which you point out) but I did send him an email to voice my opinion.

15/01/2012 03:29:31 WIB
Shoq @Shoq

I wasn't. I welcomed it. RT @BwayCarl: @Shoq I think the mock is a reaction to the shock that he would ask such a question.

15/01/2012 03:32:28 WIB
Shoq @Shoq

.@BwayCarl But I think about the media and how it makes messes every day. What is seems mockable to some, is a serious problem to me.

15/01/2012 03:33:47 WIB
Shoq @Shoq

.@BwayCarl However inartfully he may have asked it, his question is still valid, and his example still a good one.

15/01/2012 03:34:34 WIB
Shoq @Shoq

.@BwayCarl Find me a reporter who can tell you with certainty what Thomas's intent was, and I will show you a biased reporter and a liar.

15/01/2012 03:35:49 WIB
Broadway Carl🇺🇸 @BwayCarl

@Shoq In the Thomas case I happen to agree with you, it's speculation and hence an opinion piece.

15/01/2012 03:37:51 WIB
Shoq @Shoq

.@BwayCarl He wasn't speaking of matters of pants on fire fact checking. But of much less obvious situations where it's very hard to do.

15/01/2012 03:37:12 WIB
Broadway Carl🇺🇸 @BwayCarl

@Shoq But I think he WAS speaking about pants on fire fact checking, using the Romney's "Obama apologizing for America" as an example.

15/01/2012 03:39:01 WIB
Shoq @Shoq

.@BwayCarl if conservative papers had a policy of a reporter always using his judgment about "facts" in every story we'd be furious.

15/01/2012 03:39:59 WIB
Shoq @Shoq

.@BwayCarl But that's an easier call to make, and that's why he used it. Because even it COULD be cast subjectively

15/01/2012 03:41:41 WIB
Broadway Carl🇺🇸 @BwayCarl

@Shoq I'm not talking about "judgment" about facts, I'm talking about actual facts. Reporters can/should research an accusation without spin

15/01/2012 03:42:25 WIB
Shoq @Shoq

.@BwayCarl It SEEMS like a slam dunk, until you ask "is this about was SAID? perceived? Implied? It raises all sorts of protocols

15/01/2012 03:42:34 WIB
Shoq @Shoq

.@BwayCarl Of course, but then where do they stop? Should they also assess the veracity of the fact checker, or the data behind it?

15/01/2012 03:43:41 WIB
Shoq @Shoq

RT @allanbrauer: @BwayCarl @Shoq My impression is that the NYT writer was raising valid points but did a terrible job of expressing them.

15/01/2012 03:43:49 WIB
Broadway Carl🇺🇸 @BwayCarl

@Shoq There can be many gray areas, but my take on it is that reporters have an obligation to include actual facts to obvious distortions.

15/01/2012 03:47:44 WIB
Shoq @Shoq

.@BwayCarl I agree.. but I don't think he was really saying they don't,

15/01/2012 03:49:05 WIB
Shoq @Shoq

.@BwayCarl No matter what we agree is a valid case, there are many invalid, and lots more fuzzy. That's why it's a good discussion to have.

15/01/2012 03:44:32 WIB
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