My Discussion with @emptywheel on #NDAA Issues (and #Greenwald (again))

This is the relatively civil conversation that Marcy Wheeler and I had about issues relating to the #NDAA that led to the entirely uncivil suggestion from Glenn Greenwald that I'm such a loathesome Obama apologist that I would even defend Obama if Obama were to "rape a nun on live TV." Read More
Imani Gandy ✊🏾 @AngryBlackLady

The Great Emptywheel Goalpost Shift has commenced. RT @vdaze: Oh dear god. We're not done yet, kids.

01/01/2012 04:20:28 WIB
emptywheel @emptywheel

@gracels No. As I (and bill supporters) have said repeatedly. However, DC District already gutted habeas, so good luck!

01/01/2012 04:28:03 WIB
Imani Gandy ✊🏾 @AngryBlackLady

PERFIDY!! RT @emptywheel: I guess NY Eve news dump was just the indefinite detainer in chief's idea of telling us to start drinking early.

01/01/2012 04:32:07 WIB
Grace Lidia Suárez @gracels

@emptywheel Presumption of correctness is established law.

01/01/2012 04:38:01 WIB
emptywheel @emptywheel

@gracels Oh. I see. The near universal concern about Latif among lawyers is just made up then?

01/01/2012 04:38:59 WIB
emptywheel @emptywheel

@gracels You're okay detaining someone forever based on memo that misrepresents his identity and includes significant errors? That's habeas?

01/01/2012 04:39:25 WIB
Imani Gandy ✊🏾 @AngryBlackLady

I can honestly say that I don’t understand what the fuck emptywheel is on about. #NDAA #p2 #TFY

01/01/2012 04:53:25 WIB
Grace Lidia Suárez @gracels

@emptywheel Latif is what I expected from very conservative Rogers Brown. Yes, I fear that is what habeas has become. Not happy, realistic.

01/01/2012 05:05:35 WIB
emptywheel @emptywheel

@gracels Agree it's predictable Rogers Brown. But also means that's what habeas is. I've always said DC Circuit gutted habeas, not Congress

01/01/2012 05:27:59 WIB
emptywheel @emptywheel

@gracels Nevertheless, given that JRB HAS gutted habeas, it makes the notion of indefinite detention more dangerous.

01/01/2012 05:28:34 WIB

@AngryBlackLady So it's @ggreenwald and @emptywheel who don't understand NDAA, but you do?! Lol, that'll be the day......

01/01/2012 06:10:20 WIB
Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald

@g_p_g @AngryBlackLady @emptywheel And the ACLU, too - but she's too cowardly to attack them: reveals what she is

01/01/2012 06:11:04 WIB
Imani Gandy ✊🏾 @AngryBlackLady

pfft RT @ggreenwald: @[me] @emptywheel And the ACLU, too - but she's too cowardly to attack them: reveals what she is

01/01/2012 06:19:32 WIB
Imani Gandy ✊🏾 @AngryBlackLady

yes. i am. RT @emptywheel: @AngryBlackLady Again, are you even remotely aware of last 2 years of habeas developments in DC Circuit?

01/01/2012 06:27:02 WIB
Imani Gandy ✊🏾 @AngryBlackLady

.@emptywheel notably, your post on Latif gets the court’s ruling in Latif wrong. For starters.

01/01/2012 06:27:21 WIB
emptywheel @emptywheel

@AngryBlackLady OK. So you agree that FACT is that people are currently being detained indefinitely based on obviously false reports.

01/01/2012 06:27:45 WIB
emptywheel @emptywheel

@AngryBlackLady Uh huh. That's why so many lawyers who actually follow this linked it.

01/01/2012 06:27:57 WIB
Imani Gandy ✊🏾 @AngryBlackLady

.@ggreenwald @g_p_g @emptywheel The ACLU press release does not bother mentioning Obama’s statement about military detention of citizens.

01/01/2012 06:28:06 WIB
Imani Gandy ✊🏾 @AngryBlackLady

ACLU lawyers are infallible! Who knew? RT @emptywheel: @[me] Uh huh. That's why so many lawyers who actually follow this linked it.

01/01/2012 06:28:30 WIB
emptywheel @emptywheel

@AngryBlackLady Uh, how about Lawfare lawyers, the same ones you guys have linked?

01/01/2012 06:28:47 WIB
Imani Gandy ✊🏾 @AngryBlackLady

.@emptywheel How you can claim that the reports in Latif are “obviously false” when most of the decision was redacted is simply amazing.

01/01/2012 06:28:59 WIB
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Imani Gandy ✊🏾 @AngryBlackLady 03/01/2012 00:42:44 WIB
At Marcy Wheeler's request, I've added a discussion between her and @gracels regarding the same issue.
emptywheel @emptywheel 03/01/2012 00:56:55 WIB
Thanks, ABL. Since you included that one @gracels tweet, I just figured it made sense to either include all of none of @gracels' and my conversation. Appreciate it.