"The Wrath Of The Feminists" : A Discussion of Masculinity, Gender, and Feminism

A Discussion of Masculinity, Gender, and Feminism with @jennpozner, @TMatlack, @hugoschwyzer @amandamarcotte @shiratarrant, @feministfather, @therealroseanne and others.
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@TMatlack 15/12/2011 19:47:01 WIB
Why can’t women accept men for who they really are? Is a good man more like a woman or more truly masculine? http://t.co/qjkXQH8L
Jennifer L. Pozner @jennpozner 15/12/2011 19:52:32 WIB
That's the wrong question, @TMatlack bec it rests on assumption that there's only 1 way to be "truly masculine." Many ways. #letthebinarygo
@TMatlack 15/12/2011 20:01:59 WIB
@jennpozner not at all. My point is that men need to be allowed to be themselves rather than viewed as wrong by women
Jennifer L. Pozner @jennpozner 15/12/2011 20:05:45 WIB
That's not what u tweeted, @TMatlack. U asked "Is a good man more like a woman or more truly masculine?" Gender essentialism helps no one.
Jennifer L. Pozner @jennpozner 15/12/2011 20:09:29 WIB
Rigid assumptions about ways men & women should/shouldn't behave or "truly are," @TMatlack, punish anyone (m/f/or trans) who doesn't adhere.
@TMatlack 15/12/2011 20:29:41 WIB
@jennpozner female dominates gender discussion gets us nowhere
@TMatlack 15/12/2011 20:33:16 WIB
@jennpozner before you accuse me of punishing anyone look at the hundreds of voices we have published on GMP. Good is purely self defined
@TMatlack 15/12/2011 20:34:08 WIB
@jennpozner and check out my FB profile on transgender please
Jennifer L. Pozner @jennpozner 15/12/2011 20:44:36 WIB
I didn't accuse you of anything, @TMatlack. I just pushed back on yr binary tweet asking if a good man is "like a woman or truly masculine."
Jennifer L. Pozner @jennpozner 15/12/2011 20:47:52 WIB
& @TMatlack I never suggested anything negative about your good work &that of authors GMP publishes. Literally only responded to your words.
@TMatlack 15/12/2011 21:49:01 WIB
Women are more willing than men to talk about manhood. Why such a passionate outcry by women about men? http://t.co/qjkXQH8L
@TMatlack 15/12/2011 22:09:14 WIB
@jennpozner I was quoting a longer article. Please take in context
Amanda Marcotte @AmandaMarcotte 15/12/2011 23:02:18 WIB
http://t.co/3i9ELVA2 @tmatlack Your view of men and women in this piece doesn't reflect any men or women I know.
Amanda Marcotte @AmandaMarcotte 15/12/2011 23:03:14 WIB
@tmatlack I particularly hate hearing that the basic urge to drink/eat/fuck/be lazy is something women don't struggle with.
Amanda Marcotte @AmandaMarcotte 15/12/2011 23:04:22 WIB
@tmatlack Would you say I'm a "dude"? I curse a lot and don't like mommy telling me what to do, either.
Clarity @plerf 15/12/2011 23:05:29 WIB
@AmandaMarcotte @tmatlack Mine either. Is this what happens when you worship sports? Dude?
Amanda Marcotte @AmandaMarcotte 15/12/2011 23:10:43 WIB
@plerf @tmatlack For all men feel constrained, imagine what it's like to be a woman, and the one expected to not even have those urges.
Amanda Marcotte @AmandaMarcotte 15/12/2011 23:14:36 WIB
@Gaius_Publius @tmatlack I've just honestly never had that sitcom existence where I'm like, "Gah! Why do they think sex is so great?" Uh....
Kate Harding @KateHarding 15/12/2011 23:16:41 WIB
I've liked The Good Men Project in the past, but come on. "Women, who are basically all the same, need to learn to see men as individuals!"
Kate Harding @KateHarding 15/12/2011 23:18:17 WIB
And yeah, I have kind of a major pet peeve about guys who extrapolate feeling henpecked by one woman to "Women just won't let men be men."
Kate Harding @KateHarding 15/12/2011 23:19:14 WIB
I have yet to meet a straight feminist who doesn't want her partner to have his own space, his own friends, and his own opinions.
Amanda Marcotte @AmandaMarcotte 15/12/2011 23:19:17 WIB
@KateHarding What bothers me is that most women would also love a wife who cleans, cooks, takes care of you and asks for nothing in return.
Amanda Marcotte @AmandaMarcotte 15/12/2011 23:20:14 WIB
@KateHarding We just were never led to believe that was a possibility, so we can't cry "henpecked" when we don't get it.
@TMatlack 15/12/2011 23:20:33 WIB
@hugoschwyzer do you assume all black people are felons since they commit more crimes on average than white people? http://t.co/nhVHnbfv
@TMatlack 15/12/2011 23:21:57 WIB
@AmandaMarcotte I didn't say that. I said that is the stereotype of men in Bud Light commercials et al.
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