How important is mentoring for young scientists?

The 17th meeting of the astronomy twitter journal club. We discussed mentoring, and how useful it is for young scientists.
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astrojournalclub @astronomyjc

Hi everyone & welcome to the 17th meeting of #astrojc. Today's topic: is mentoring important for young scientists?

02/12/2011 03:10:08 WIB
Awesome_Ph @Awesome_Ph

@astronomyjc I am here! For those who dont know: postdoc/postdoc repr. at STScI, and currently designing mentoring for postdocs #astrojc

02/12/2011 03:12:36 WIB
astrojournalclub @astronomyjc

For this meeting I think the best thing to do is go through the list of discussion points suggested by @Harcel in the preview #astrojc

02/12/2011 03:13:09 WIB
astrojournalclub @astronomyjc

First point for discussion: Should young scientists be mentored? #astrojc

02/12/2011 03:13:42 WIB
Bruce Sibthorpe @brucesibthorpe

I think there's a fair case for students not being mentored too much. Just having somebody to ask questions could be enough. #astrojc

02/12/2011 03:15:11 WIB
Awesome_Ph @Awesome_Ph

@astronomyjc Yes! one supervisor will be biased, has a conflict of interests wrt you and will probably not have all desired skills. #astrojc

02/12/2011 03:16:05 WIB
Stephen Serjeant @StephenSerjeant

@astronomyjc #astrojc At the OU, grad students have a main supervisor, a 2nd supervisor, and a 3rd party monitor.

02/12/2011 03:19:09 WIB
astrojournalclub @astronomyjc

What kind of topics should mentoring encompass? e.g. career development, skills in paper writing or oral presentations... #astrojc

02/12/2011 03:19:35 WIB
astrojournalclub @astronomyjc

..., help in visa situation or day care systems #astrojc

02/12/2011 03:19:42 WIB
Awesome_Ph @Awesome_Ph

Or, as @ivbemmel rightly(?) posted: why a mentoring scheme if job applications are first judged by #publications? Good point? #astrojc

02/12/2011 03:20:45 WIB
★ dr amanda bauer ★ @astropixie

important role of a mentor is to encourage mentee to apply for awards, grants, etc that they might not on their own @astronomyjc #astrojc

02/12/2011 03:22:45 WIB
Stephen Serjeant @StephenSerjeant

@MarcelAstroph @ivbemmel #astrojc It's just as important - maybe more - to get yourself well-known for good work.

02/12/2011 03:23:13 WIB
Awesome_Ph @Awesome_Ph

@astropixie And supervisors often don't want you to leave, especially when you're good, even if it would be good for you. conflict? #astrojc

02/12/2011 03:24:05 WIB
Bruce Sibthorpe @brucesibthorpe

@astropixie I think you're right, a major role of a mentor is to explain the infrastructure of the community. #astrojc

02/12/2011 03:25:39 WIB
Bruce Sibthorpe @brucesibthorpe

@ritatojeiro Discouraging somebody is as or more important than encouraging them. Nobody else will be in a position to do this. #astrojc

02/12/2011 03:27:53 WIB
astrojournalclub @astronomyjc

So do you think it's best to have a mentor who's not your supervisor? Someone who can take more of a global view of you? #astrojc

02/12/2011 03:29:01 WIB
Awesome_Ph @Awesome_Ph

@brucesibthorpe Discouraging does require special social skills that not every scientist has, unless you want to hurt the mentee... #astrojc

02/12/2011 03:29:06 WIB
★ dr amanda bauer ★ @astropixie

@StephenSerjeant @astronomyjc #astrojc I've never been on the advisor side, but seems cruel not to encourage for awards, doesn't it?

02/12/2011 03:29:22 WIB
Dr. Rita Tojeiro @ritatojeiro

@astropixie I find it more cruel to encourage someone into a difficult career if not confident, or optimistic about their ability #astrojc

02/12/2011 03:30:25 WIB
Stephen Serjeant @StephenSerjeant

@MarcelAstroph @brucesibthorpe #astrojc As a PDRA I had a boss whom I could trust to tell me things I didn't want to hear. Very valuable.

02/12/2011 03:30:27 WIB
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