WikiLeaks, Greenwald, Appelbaum, Cook debate First Look redactions

WikiLeaks, Glenn Greenwald, Jacob Appelbaum, and John Cook debate First Look's decision to censor the name of a country from which the NSA is archiving the audio of virtually every cell phone conversation.
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WikiLeaks @wikileaks
The NSA Is Recording Every Cell Phone Call in the Bahamas | Firstlook https://t.co/jTKVNCK5BJ
WikiLeaks @wikileaks
We condemn Firstlook for following the Washington Post into censoring the mass interception of an entire nation https://t.co/jTKVNCK5BJ
WikiLeaks @wikileaks
It is not the place of Firstlook or WaPo to decide how a people will chose to act against mass breaches of their rights by the United States
John Cook @johnjcook
@wikileaks that's a willfully stupid interpretation of the relationship between our story and the post's. but your condemnation is noted.
Jacob Appelbaum @ioerror
@johnjcook @wikileaks Why did you say "perhaps illegal" when it is clearly illegal in the Bahamas, illegal as it targets Americans, etc?
Jacob Appelbaum @ioerror
@johnjcook @wikileaks Also, you did censor that an entire nation is under surveillance - it makes sense to write about that specific choice.
John Cook @johnjcook
@ioerror @wikileaks i trust german and opsahl, neither of whom declared it facially illegal under u.s. law, given how useless that law is
John Cook @johnjcook
@ioerror @wikileaks and like the story said it appears to violate bahamian law, but we didn’t have a legal expert claiming that.
John Cook @johnjcook
@ioerror @wikileaks we’d hoped that the bahamian government would clarify that point for us but sadly they declined the opportunity
WikiLeaks @wikileaks
@johnjcook The peoples of an entire nation have the right to choose their destiny. Not John Cook. History does not belong to you.
Jacob Appelbaum @ioerror
@johnjcook @wikileaks When speculating on "perhaps illegal" it is important to note which laws apply in said analysis, I think.
John Cook @johnjcook
@ioerror @wikileaks in terms of u.s. law, we said it’s authorized under 12333. and we cited the bahamian law in question.
Jacob Appelbaum @ioerror
@johnjcook @wikileaks It seems clearly illegal under the 4th Amendment to collect the voice content of Bill Gates (etc) in the Bahamas.
John Cook @johnjcook
@ioerror @wikileaks there’s probably another 4k words to be written about the legal issues; we wanted to do a story about the program...
John Cook @johnjcook
@ioerror @wikileaks …without getting too far into the legal thicket that purportedly governs these programs
WikiLeaks @wikileaks
If a nation wants to engage in a revolt on the basis that the US government is recording all their phone calls, that is their right.
John Cook @johnjcook
@ioerror @wikileaks “seems clearly” is on spectrum with “perhaps illegal” i think. we consulted experts we trust and reported what they said
Jacob Appelbaum @ioerror
@johnjcook @wikileaks I think that there is a good meta-journalism sub-article about the specific words used in that article.
Jacob Appelbaum @ioerror
@johnjcook @wikileaks Authorized, Legal and Constitutional aren't the same, of course.
John Cook @johnjcook
@ioerror @wikileaks i agree. or a sub-jourmalism meta-article.
WikiLeaks @wikileaks
Firstlook's argument for censoring name of entire nation recorded is the same as the argument Obama gave for censoring Abu Ghraib photos.
Jacob Appelbaum @ioerror
@johnjcook Another topic: such a redaction choice makes @wikileaks look extreme and vindicates the WaPo standard line. This is a mistake.
John Cook @johnjcook
@ioerror @wikileaks i don’t think it’s fair to say that our decision to publish names of 4 countries the post didn’t vindicates their line.
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