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WikiLeaks, Greenwald, Appelbaum, Cook debate First Look redactions

WikiLeaks, Glenn Greenwald, Jacob Appelbaum, and John Cook debate First Look's decision to censor the name of a country from which the NSA is archiving the audio of virtually every cell phone conversaRead MoreWikiLeaks, Glenn Greenwald, Jacob Appelbaum, and John Cook debate First Look's decision to censor the name of a country from which the NSA is archiving the audio of virtually every cell phone conversation.

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WikiLeaks @wikileaks 20/05/2014 00:37:13 WIB

The NSA Is Recording Every Cell Phone Call in the Bahamas | Firstlook https://t.co/jTKVNCK5BJ
WikiLeaks @wikileaks 20/05/2014 01:00:32 WIB

We condemn Firstlook for following the Washington Post into censoring the mass interception of an entire nation https://t.co/jTKVNCK5BJ
WikiLeaks @wikileaks 20/05/2014 01:05:18 WIB

It is not the place of Firstlook or WaPo to decide how a people will chose to act against mass breaches of their rights by the United States
John Cook @johnjcook 20/05/2014 01:03:49 WIB

@wikileaks that's a willfully stupid interpretation of the relationship between our story and the post's. but your condemnation is noted.
Jacob Appelbaum @ioerror 20/05/2014 01:07:22 WIB

@johnjcook @wikileaks Why did you say "perhaps illegal" when it is clearly illegal in the Bahamas, illegal as it targets Americans, etc?
Jacob Appelbaum @ioerror 20/05/2014 01:08:07 WIB

@johnjcook @wikileaks Also, you did censor that an entire nation is under surveillance - it makes sense to write about that specific choice.
John Cook @johnjcook 20/05/2014 01:09:05 WIB

@ioerror @wikileaks i trust german and opsahl, neither of whom declared it facially illegal under u.s. law, given how useless that law is
John Cook @johnjcook 20/05/2014 01:09:48 WIB

@ioerror @wikileaks and like the story said it appears to violate bahamian law, but we didn’t have a legal expert claiming that.
John Cook @johnjcook 20/05/2014 01:10:18 WIB

@ioerror @wikileaks we’d hoped that the bahamian government would clarify that point for us but sadly they declined the opportunity
WikiLeaks @wikileaks 20/05/2014 01:10:36 WIB

@johnjcook The peoples of an entire nation have the right to choose their destiny. Not John Cook. History does not belong to you.
Jacob Appelbaum @ioerror 20/05/2014 01:11:30 WIB

@johnjcook @wikileaks When speculating on "perhaps illegal" it is important to note which laws apply in said analysis, I think.
John Cook @johnjcook 20/05/2014 01:13:26 WIB

@ioerror @wikileaks in terms of u.s. law, we said it’s authorized under 12333. and we cited the bahamian law in question.
Jacob Appelbaum @ioerror 20/05/2014 01:13:48 WIB

@johnjcook @wikileaks It seems clearly illegal under the 4th Amendment to collect the voice content of Bill Gates (etc) in the Bahamas.
John Cook @johnjcook 20/05/2014 01:14:07 WIB

@ioerror @wikileaks there’s probably another 4k words to be written about the legal issues; we wanted to do a story about the program...
John Cook @johnjcook 20/05/2014 01:14:46 WIB

@ioerror @wikileaks …without getting too far into the legal thicket that purportedly governs these programs
WikiLeaks @wikileaks 20/05/2014 01:15:55 WIB

If a nation wants to engage in a revolt on the basis that the US government is recording all their phone calls, that is their right.
John Cook @johnjcook 20/05/2014 01:16:53 WIB

@ioerror @wikileaks “seems clearly” is on spectrum with “perhaps illegal” i think. we consulted experts we trust and reported what they said
Jacob Appelbaum @ioerror 20/05/2014 01:20:31 WIB

@johnjcook @wikileaks I think that there is a good meta-journalism sub-article about the specific words used in that article.
Jacob Appelbaum @ioerror 20/05/2014 01:21:40 WIB

@johnjcook @wikileaks Authorized, Legal and Constitutional aren't the same, of course.
John Cook @johnjcook 20/05/2014 01:22:51 WIB

@ioerror @wikileaks absolutely.
John Cook @johnjcook 20/05/2014 01:24:08 WIB

@ioerror @wikileaks i agree. or a sub-jourmalism meta-article.
Jacob Appelbaum @ioerror 20/05/2014 01:24:09 WIB

@johnjcook @wikileaks I'll say it: Absent a warrant, it is illegal.
WikiLeaks @wikileaks 20/05/2014 01:22:18 WIB

Firstlook's argument for censoring name of entire nation recorded is the same as the argument Obama gave for censoring Abu Ghraib photos.
Jacob Appelbaum @ioerror 20/05/2014 01:25:55 WIB

@johnjcook Another topic: such a redaction choice makes @wikileaks look extreme and vindicates the WaPo standard line. This is a mistake.
John Cook @johnjcook 20/05/2014 01:29:11 WIB

@ioerror @wikileaks i don’t think it’s fair to say that our decision to publish names of 4 countries the post didn’t vindicates their line.

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