And So It Goes... Another Abortion Debate

Fetuses aren't people. Anyone who asserts that they are is, by necessity, taking away the rights of living, breathing, talking, thinking, contributing people like me in favor of some theoretical, philosophical rigidity. They're hurting REAL people. Including me. Please stop. Just stop. Because you're defying the very principles you claim to espouse when you deny MY personhood and rights. Got that?
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James Madison @SpiritOfMadison

@LibertyBelle4 No you appear to be very smart, and very rational and that's how you find me when we debate the poor fetus!

25/06/2011 20:28:47 WIB
J @LibertyBelleJ

@SpiritOfMadison - Alrighty, then. Coffee consumed. Caffeine level adequate. COMMENCE.... FALSE FETUS/PERSON EQUIVALENCY. GOGOGOGO!

25/06/2011 20:30:38 WIB
J @LibertyBelleJ

@SpiritOfMadison (Hope you're prepared to have your ass handed to you in a box with a bow, because I am sooooo ready for this.)

25/06/2011 20:31:08 WIB
James Madison @SpiritOfMadison

@LibertyBelle4 I shall start with a quote from a famous man. Then I will give you my view of the situation.

25/06/2011 20:31:34 WIB
James Madison @SpiritOfMadison

@LibertyBelle4 I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born. ~Ronald Reagan

25/06/2011 20:31:41 WIB
James Madison @SpiritOfMadison

@LibertyBelle4 My view, is that life begins at conception. When an egg is fertilized, it is at that point a potential life.

25/06/2011 20:32:21 WIB
James Madison @SpiritOfMadison

@LibertyBelle4 When cell division turns into differentiation and structure emerges, it is at that point a developing human life.

25/06/2011 20:33:03 WIB
James Madison @SpiritOfMadison

@LibertyBelle4 But the problem with your assertion of a false equalivancy, is that that process never endds.

25/06/2011 20:33:37 WIB
James Madison @SpiritOfMadison

@LibertyBelle4 It persists until the day we die. For example, brain structure isn't complete until the mid 20's.

25/06/2011 20:34:24 WIB
J @LibertyBelleJ

@SpiritOfMadison - Yeah, yeah, I'm listening. Ain't impressed, thus far, but I'm listening, waiting my turn. Tell me when you're done.

25/06/2011 20:34:25 WIB
James Madison @SpiritOfMadison

@LibertyBelle4 Well I think you can see where I'm going with my interpretation, so feel free to jump in if you wish.

25/06/2011 20:34:54 WIB
J @LibertyBelleJ

@SpiritOfMadison - *yawn* Yeah, yeah. Human development is work in progress. Never ends. Got it. Carry on. (drumming fingers impatiently)

25/06/2011 20:35:32 WIB
James Madison @SpiritOfMadison

@LibertyBelle4 All the assertions of non-personhood, spring in my view from a rationalization, to make more palatable a horrible act.

25/06/2011 20:35:49 WIB
J @LibertyBelleJ

@SpiritOfMadison - You're all fully of happy theory, but the LAW has to draw a line. A LINE. And there's no good place to put it.

25/06/2011 20:36:47 WIB
J @LibertyBelleJ

@SpiritOfMadison - Our entire governmental system is dependent upon respect for the individual's rights to his life, liberty, property.

25/06/2011 20:37:13 WIB
J @LibertyBelleJ

@SpiritOfMadison - But WHICH individuals? You're assuming facts not in evidence (personhood of fetus) and taking MY RIGHTS.

25/06/2011 20:37:50 WIB
James Madison @SpiritOfMadison

@LibertyBelle4 Well in terms of law, there is no right to kill your kid. Not what Roe decided. The right to life of the mother vs the child

25/06/2011 20:37:52 WIB
J @LibertyBelleJ

@SpiritOfMadison - I have a right to decide what happens within my body. End of story. And the LAW must recognize me over hypotheticals.

25/06/2011 20:38:09 WIB
James Madison @SpiritOfMadison

@LibertyBelle4 has never been adjuticated. That's why the pro-choice crowd fears such laws being put on the books

25/06/2011 20:38:25 WIB
J @LibertyBelleJ

@SpiritOfMadison - The line is drawn when said fetus and I can be legally separated.

25/06/2011 20:38:26 WIB
J @LibertyBelleJ

@SpiritOfMadison - Until a fetus can live independently outside my body, it has no interests. None. The only rights involved are MINE.

25/06/2011 20:38:54 WIB
J @LibertyBelleJ

@SpiritOfMadison - It's not a kid until it's outside me. End of story. Until then, it's PART OF ME. And my interests are the ONLY interests.

25/06/2011 20:39:28 WIB
James Madison @SpiritOfMadison

@LibertyBelle4 Well there's the problem, a fetus, even after being born, cannot survive without it's mother. We are mammals.

25/06/2011 20:40:05 WIB
James Madison @SpiritOfMadison

@LibertyBelle4 Well there's the problem, a fetus, even after being born, cannot survive without it's mother. We are mammals.

25/06/2011 20:40:05 WIB
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J @LibertyBelleJ 25/06/2011 23:16:20 WIB
This is how I spent much of my morning. Defending my own life, basically. I hate this shit. I really do. #p2
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