#SLPsnQs June 20-24 2011

#SLPsnQs is a daily question meant to generate discussion and reflection amongst the #SLPeeps
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Today's #SLPsnQs comes via @mtmarySLP from last week: Are idioms and figurative language important to teach? Why/not? #SLPeeps
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In cases you don't yet know, #SLPsnQs is a daily question meant to generate discussion and reflection amongst the #SLPeeps :)
John du Bois (He/Him or They/Them) @ GenCan’t @JohnduBois
@SLPTanya Depends on how bad baseline language is. For instance, I find fig. language as useless as "please" with nonverbal kids. #SLPsnQs
@slptanya
@JohnduBois at what point would you think figurative lang would be important to work on? #SLPsnQs
John du Bois (He/Him or They/Them) @ GenCan’t @JohnduBois
@SLPTanya Once basic communication has been functionally mastered, and even then, probably only receptive. #SLPsnQs
Bob Bateman @speechbob
@SLPTanya I'm not sure, I've taught them plenty of times, but now I'm thinking they are less necessary than before. #SLPsnQs
Bob Bateman @speechbob
@SLPTanya I do think that the older idioms that aren't used much anymore are silly to teach kids, need to teach current ones #SLPsnQs
Jeremy @azspeechguy
@slptanya @mtmarySLP #slpsnqs yes they are important to teach, as conversation especially middle school age is filled with nonliteral lang
마 야 Maya @SpeechTherapist
@SLPTanya @mtmarySLP I think it's important to teach it but I don't see it being used much by the school-aged kids...
마 야 Maya @SpeechTherapist
@SLPTanya @mtmarySLP When I compare the time I was in MS & HS (80s & 90s) w/today, far less use of figurative lang now.
마 야 Maya @SpeechTherapist
@SLPTanya @mtmarySLP There is a lot of jargon used, especially due to the explosion of technology but once you figure it
마 야 Maya @SpeechTherapist
@SLPTanya @mtmarySLP out, the language itself is far more literal, imo.
Meghan Graham @SLPMeg
@azspeechguy @slptanya @mtmaryslp agreed that important "higher level language" skill. Socially nonliteral language is everywhere. #slpsnqs
Amanda W @amanda20slp
@SLPTanya Depends on the severity of student's language disorder. Basic idioms would suffice for students with cog. disability. #SLPsnQs
Amanda W @amanda20slp
@SLPTanya I think students with lang. disorders but fairly av. IQ definitely need idiom knowledge! These kiddos miss so much w/out! #SLPsnQs
KXSLP💖💜💙 @KXSLP
@slptanya @mtmaryslp fig Lang. Absolutely. I'm in a hs and all classes use fig language. No f.l. leads to poor grades/ dropouts. #SLPeeps
@dreamsarah
#SLPeeps #SLPsnQs The trick is to teach why fig lang. Not just what. Get them understanding more for less. For teens: www.teenink.com
@slptanya
#SLPsnQs for today: how do you know (or can you even know?) if language skills are commensurate with cognitive skills? #SLPeeps
Alison Stepp @SLPAli
@SLPTanya @kateoregon if U use XBA for eval & look 4 strenghts/weakness and Gf & Gc are commensurate how can you say LangDis.......
Alison Stepp @SLPAli
@SLPTanya @kateoregon ....above and beyond their CD. their CD is the reason for their LD if it's commensurate with other skills..thoughts?
Alison Stepp @SLPAli
@SLPTanya XBA=cross battery assessment, Gf=fluid intelligence, GC=crystalized intelligence...
@slptanya
@SLPAli so at what point do you feel you can no longer provide service to improve lang skills b/c of cog delay? #SLPsnQs
Mary @MTMarySLP
@SLPTanya @SLPAli One of the ongoing battles I have w/ the SPED preschool teacher is: does lang. effect cognition or cognition effect lang.
@slptanya
and?.. RT @mtmarySLP: an ongoing battle I have w/ the SPED preschool teacher: does lang. effect cognition or cog'n effect lang. #SLPsnQs
@slptanya
@mtmarySLP @SLPAli awesome discussion, ladies, please use #SLPsnQs so I can capture it in the chirpstory!
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