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Behead those who say [religion] is violent

I try to engage @tariqk (a practicing Malay-Muslim) on the role of religion in government and the fail thereof. *Try* here being the key word. Later on, mild insomnia spawns another discussion with @twostoreys @thaliarchus @ExecutiveOtaku @FoxyLadyAyame and lots of subtweeting from @tariqk.
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طاريق كامل @tariqk

Every time I feel shame for being Malay Malaysian, I read about the GOP & feel a little better/worse: http://t.co/mxWbvPKd (h/t @ggreenwald)

12/08/2012 21:59:44 WIB
オーウェン @riajuunibyou

@tariqk same shit different country imo. majority rule based on an Abrahamic religion that isn't Judaism = shit shit shit

12/08/2012 22:13:24 WIB
オーウェン @riajuunibyou

@tariqk or rather I have yet to see evidence to the contrary so far

12/08/2012 22:14:17 WIB
طاريق كامل @tariqk

@riajuunibyou Judging by the examples I’ve read, actually, you can scratch “Abrahamic religion” and include “anybody”.

12/08/2012 22:15:40 WIB
طاريق كامل @tariqk

@riajuunibyou And… wait. Abrahamic religion that isn’t Judaism. Um. Israel. “Villa in the Jungle”, um. Jewish state. Recent deportations…

12/08/2012 22:17:44 WIB
طاريق كامل @tariqk

@riajuunibyou So much so that recent Israeli protests that got world coverage was about… rising costs of living for middle-class Jews! H u h

12/08/2012 22:20:13 WIB
طاريق كامل @tariqk

@riajuunibyou Oh wait. Are you talking about the American media? I think we need to not talk about them. They live in a parallel universe.

12/08/2012 22:23:26 WIB
طاريق كامل @tariqk

@riajuunibyou My wife has an anecdote about American media. (NYC news) “And now, for the REST OF THE WORLD: In WASHINGTON…”

12/08/2012 22:24:24 WIB
طاريق كامل @tariqk

@riajuunibyou When I was in the USA, we watched the media. I actually felt DUMBER after. And I’m used to LOCAL MSM, which is stupid already.

12/08/2012 22:26:30 WIB
طاريق كامل @tariqk

@riajuunibyou Really, the only reason why anyone would watch CNN is to see what the chee sin gwai are thinking about. To be “informed”? HA!

12/08/2012 22:27:24 WIB
オーウェン @riajuunibyou

@tariqk lol I skipped Judaism because I wasn't aware of what Israel's up to, and if they even espouse core Judaic principles in govt etc but

12/08/2012 22:36:07 WIB
オーウェン @riajuunibyou

@tariqk when you said this earlier I thought you were going to succumb to cherrypicking & two wrongs = right fallacy, simply because

12/08/2012 22:36:36 WIB
オーウェン @riajuunibyou

@tariqk Canada, the Scandinavian govts, and Singapore aren't based on any religion, and they're doing pretty fucking well

12/08/2012 22:37:10 WIB
オーウェン @riajuunibyou

@tariqk but I digress. check your Malay-Muslim privilege and realise that as bad as the GOP is, UMNO et al are equally awful

12/08/2012 22:38:00 WIB
オーウェン @riajuunibyou

@tariqk and that dismissing dialogue due to "anybody" (who?) WRT goverments being equally shit is counterproductive to a discussion.

12/08/2012 22:38:59 WIB
طاريق كامل @tariqk

@riajuunibyou #COUGHING SINGAPORE. #COUGHING RULING CLASS ELITISM. #COUGHING XENOPHOBIA ON NEW IMMIGRANTS. #COUGHING GERRYMANDERING.

12/08/2012 22:39:35 WIB
طاريق كامل @tariqk

@riajuunibyou Oh, no! You’re absolutely right. They are pretty bad, UMNO. One primary difference: if UMNO fucks up, the effect is local.

12/08/2012 22:40:59 WIB
طاريق كامل @tariqk

@riajuunibyou The GOP take over the reins of the US and fuck it up? WE ALL GET HIT.

12/08/2012 22:41:28 WIB
طاريق كامل @tariqk

@riajuunibyou But you’re right. UMNO has only 1 function — the preservation of corporatist power, OFTEN at the expense of its own base.

12/08/2012 22:42:35 WIB
オーウェン @riajuunibyou

@tariqk except that wasn't what I was talking about: Singapore govt officials *actually* have to be accountable for the money they handle

12/08/2012 22:42:58 WIB
オーウェン @riajuunibyou

@tariqk and if you think an accountable govt that doesn't throw your tax money down the shitter into local palaces is bad, well, lol

12/08/2012 22:43:22 WIB
オーウェン @riajuunibyou

@tariqk but going back to what I was saying: America, Malaysia... same shit different country, really, with religious-based reasoning at the

12/08/2012 22:44:23 WIB
طاريق كامل @tariqk

@riajuunibyou Whoever said I actually thought it was a good thing?

12/08/2012 22:44:26 WIB
オーウェン @riajuunibyou

@tariqk core of (IMO) why they're equally fucked up in a lot of ways, ergo 'Abrahamic religions' earlier

12/08/2012 22:44:51 WIB
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