- 21/Dec/2011 08:55:57 PM PSTphilosophy mlk gandhi +
Philosophy and the Future
This is a discussion between @chirpinator and myself, in response to this chirpstory: http://chirpstory.com/li/3541
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@timeoutcorner Hey, really great discussion on various "shapes" of government. And I must say, quite relevant for the coming few years! -
@chirpinator Thank you! Very relevant indeed. IMO, nearly anything is preferable to the present circumstances that many face worldwide.
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@timeoutcorner Indeed! We need more of these discussions to come to some understanding of how to change things.
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@chirpinator I utterly agree. My only concern is whether or not those discussions will penetrate deep enough into systemic assumptions.
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@timeoutcorner Well, that's where perseverance is necessary. There are sparks...consider the Arab Spring!...but they need foundations.
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@chirpinator Quite right. Those who philosophise on the movement of the world inevitably play catch-up to the direction of humanity.
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@chirpinator IMO, those who can keep up the closest with the supple changes of humanity are those who will best help inform the future.
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@timeoutcorner I would argue that there is a place for said philosophizing. The key is taking it out of the ivory tower.
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@chirpinator Oh yes. I'm a big proponent of practical philosophy. That's the serious mis-step of post-19th Century Western philosophy.
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@chirpinator To that end, IMO those who wish to philosophise in a useful manner are wise to chase the edge of systemic restructuring.
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@timeoutcorner Good point. It's how you can be part of the stream of progress rather than the stone standing in the way of the current.
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@chirpinator Very Buddhist, and I completely agree. If one wishes to facilitate evolution & enlightenment, the drift of the future is best.
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@timeoutcorner I hadn't particularly conceived of it as a Buddhist thought, but I suppose you're correct. Shape the flow you see.
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@chirpinator Perhaps I impose Buddhism unnecessarily. :P But I completely agree: Facilitate and inform, rather than control and dictate.
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@timeoutcorner I'd argue that was the secret to Ghandi and MLK's success.
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@chirpinator Absolutely. In fact, Gandhi said that if he spoke truth, people would listen, and if he didn't, people wouldn't. They did! :)
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@timeoutcorner Oh, I'd forgotten about that quote! What a lot of wisdom that man had.
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@chirpinator He was a saint without a doubt, IMO. Have you ever read his 'My Experiments With Truth'? One of my most favourite books.
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@timeoutcorner I regret that I've never read it in full. I gather that he was as persuasive a writer as he was a leader?
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@chirpinator Very much so. I have philosophic differences with him on some levels, but he deeply influences me nonetheless.
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@chirpinator And that's, I think, a sign of just how incredible a person he was. :)
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@timeoutcorner It's a pity this generation doesn't (yet) have its Ghandi.
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@chirpinator I fear it shall be a long time before practical philosophy makes a comeback. Not to say it won't happen, just probably not now.
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@timeoutcorner Unfortunately, I suspect that you're correct. But perhaps we're laying the foundation for a time when it can.
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@chirpinator I certainly hope so, my friend. There is a huge amount of rebuilding which needs to happen, worldwide. So much has been lost.
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