- 19/Dec/2011 08:10:24 PM PSTiraq localisation distributism centralisation +
Centralisation vs Localisation
This is a discussion between myself (a Distributist) and @timthesocialist (a Marxist-Lennist) on the issue of how decision-making power should best be invested in an economic/political system.
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We have pulled the last troops out of Iraq. 1 trillion dollars and thousands of wasted lives later. There is nothing to be proud of in that. -
@timthesocialist Well, last non-privatised troops...
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@timeoutcorner Right, exactly. But still. It was a waste of time, money, and lives.
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@timthesocialist Absolutely agreed. Utter and complete madness.
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@timeoutcorner We should be hanging our heads in shame that we ever allowed such a fucking travesty to occur. We never fucking learn.
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@timthesocialist Sigh... When people are insulated from the results of their decisions, they never learn. Goes for more than just military.
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@timeoutcorner That insulation cannot last forever. Things are changing.
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@timthesocialist I completely agree. The implosion of the centralised economic/political settlement will force a localisation of power.
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@timeoutcorner I don't see the centralization of government as the problem.
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@timthesocialist Ah, but I do. Centralising political power removes the effects of political choices from those who make them, axiomatically
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@timeoutcorner I don't think so. The world is too interconnected for only local control.
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@timthesocialist Nonsense. Interconnectness would by definition work better & be more resilient with localised economic & political model :)
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@timeoutcorner I completely disagree. Centralized control could ensure a better education, economic and health care system just to start.
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@timthesocialist Centralisation experiment has been ongoing for over a century now, and it has resulted in what we see around us.
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@timthesocialist In other words, the source of the problem will not also be the source of the solution. :)
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@timeoutcorner Local control existed during the articles of confederation, it was complete failure.
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@timthesocialist No, Articles of Confederation were a complete success. They were hated because Federal Gov couldn't build an Empire, IMO.
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@timeoutcorner No, they weren't a success. Every state made their own currency, resulted in massive inflation. Sorry, you're wrong.
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@timthesocialist That argument ignores the fact every State had their own currency before 1776.
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@timthesocialist That aside, the US rebellion was focused heavily upon 'right' to print paper money without oversight from Bank of England.
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@timthesocialist That's a flaw of paper money. Which is an utterly different conversation. XD
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@timeoutcorner No, we don't even have complete centralization, we have a fucked up federal system that contradicts itself.
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@timthesocialist I agree completely that the Federal system is messed up and incompletely centralised.
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@timthesocialist However, incomplete centralisation has already created vast problems. Lincoln began the experiment, look how it has gone.
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@timeoutcorner I think local control would make it easier for capitalist assholes to control things. It's missing the point.
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@timeoutcorner 1, socialism, 0. Again.Reply NOH8ER 20/Dec/2011 08:47:21 AM PST 0
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Socialism is identical to fascism, when it is put into practise, as it ignores individuality (i.e. the ultimate localisation). Hence all socialist states in history have been totalitarian, without a single exception, anywhere, ever.Reply NOH8ER 20/Dec/2011 08:48:42 AM PST 0
