Comparing Obama & Clinton fairly with @joanwalsh & @thereidreport et al
Title says it all: Joy-Ann Reid and Joan Walsh have a cogent discussion on the differences in the Media's perception between Bill Clinton & Barack Obama's presidencies.
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What the Boehner-Obama #speechgate flap is really about http://t.co/DGAMwrJ -
I care about the fucking speech. Not the date. I think most people do.
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Can you imagine any Democrat in Washington coming to the president's defense in #speechgate? It won't happen. http://t.co/DGAMwrJ
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Bill Clinton was also in many ways a man without a party. Both he and Obama existed apart from the Dem establishment.
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Remember the dearth of Dems who came out swinging against impeachment of Clinton? The Dem establishment in DC is a tough clique to crack.
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Obama is getting it worse in some ways, because unlike Clinton, he bucked the hierarchical system in two ways: Dems and Black leadership.
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One more exception to the "spurn the prez" Democratic rule: DWS. She is both an Obama ally and head of the DNC.
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The POTUS is not your Messiah. He ain't your man. You can fully support him and disagree with him.
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Think about it: where was the "vocal right" that chimed in with and enabled liberals who couldn't stand George W. Bush? *crickets*
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What's different about Obama is that he's fighting a two-front ideological war, the right and the #emoprog left.
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Barack Obama is in many ways suffering the consequences of the emo left's faster adaptation of social media vs the center left.
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@TheReidReport Salon emerged to defend Clinton from impeachment. Also worth remembering Peter and Marion Edelman bailed over welfare reform
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@joanwalsh great point, Joan. So did Moveon.org. There is no such equivalent for this president. Something is just different.
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@joanwalsh Clinton was backstopped by the liberal opinion leaders, even tho they had problems with him. Obama has literally no backstop.
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@TheReidReport @joanwalsh That "something" is he's B-L-A-C-K.
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@joanwalsh and ironically, Clinton was more centrist than Obama ever has been.
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@TheReidReport Well, MoveOn said Censure, and move on. And my point was Edelmans and others vocally opposed a move they thought was wrong
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@TheReidReport Well, the entire NYTimes op-ed page was against Clinton. He was Howell Raines's white trash whipping boy. It's...complicated
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People, just so as not to respond individually, I'm not talking about individual people having issues with Obama.
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What I'm saying is that unlike with Clinton, the big, organized, Internet driven left is hostile to him, where it backstopped Clinton.
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RT @TheReidReport: @joanwalsh and ironically, Clinton was more centrist than Obama ever has been.
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As @joanwalsh pointed out, Salon emerged as a big voice defending Clinton. Moveon.org was created to fight impeachment.
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It's just an observation. Think of the Aravosis, Moveon, Salon, MMoores, CBC etc during impeachment... now think of them today. Different.
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@Shoq @TheReidReport I disagree, I think they're equally centrist. Both are Dems trying to help the party overcome the legacy of the 60s...
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